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Market Timing

Date AA Decision Justification Learning
July 2019 50/50 Greater Fool had some worrying posts, inverted yield curve, seemed imminently downward Keep a weekly email on S&P 500 value? Didn't have a exit point if I made the wrong decision and missed a big rally
January 2020 95/5 Missed a rally, Greater Fool says 2020 won't be super big, but a positive one.
Plan on rebalancing at opportune times

Need to keep new stocks in tax shielded accounts and bonds in taxable accounts

Market Timing

While you might be able to time the highs, you still have to time the lows. When do you get back in? It takes a while to go down, and has many false starts along the way.

Really nicely explained video:

  • Yields are starting to tank for treasuries. Stock market is at an all time high. 10-2 yield curve hasn't inverted yet, but treasuries are tanking earlier than normal. But no Fed interest rate cuts yet or new unemployment. Kinda want to wait until dividend is paid out and then convert … 80% to long term treasuries.
    • FRED chart of treasury .. yields?
  • Greater Fool has a good article. Bond direction is disagreeing with stock direction. Feels that it's overblown, stocks will not crash. But not sure what will happen either.
  • Karsten has a good article in April, but he's talking about recession. Which, while it's the ultimate drawdown, isn't trying to capture the top either. https://earlyretirementnow.com/2019/04/03/yield-curve-inversion-why-i-am-not-worried-yet/
  • The “pop” for treasuries doesn't occur until deep in recession, so not much penalty kinda for waiting.

What to go into

Recession Treasury maturities returns
74-76 No difference
80-83 No difference
90-92 No difference
00-02 No difference
08-10 Some difference. Longer terms had nice price appreciation “pop”.

* Only in 2008 did long term treasuries pop. So…maybe go with tax-exempt municipal? But hard to sell. Treasury interest is state tax exempt.

TOp 10 leading indicators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_indicator

Pretty good writeup by Bridgewater too: bwam021218.pdf

  • He thought December 2017 was the top?!?! weird. Not according to indicators below…

https://earlyretirementnow.com/2018/02/21/market-timing-and-risk-management-part-1-macroeconomics/

Accounts to manage:

  • 401k, Vanguard, HSA, 529 (Oregon College Savings Plan), M1 Finance, Robinhood

Bond Interest Rates / Yield Curve

When interest rates for short-term bonds increase (which the fed generally does after a long boom time to corral inflation), then the price for existing bonds will need to be discounted to be equivalent to the new bonds with higher interest rates, so overall returns for bonds go down. At some point near the top of the business cycle, bond investors feel the need to lock in long term rates because a recession is coming and the Fed always? lowers interest rates to cushion the drop. So the demand for long-term bonds increases, necessitating a higher price for them and decreasing their effective yield, while short-term bonds are undesired and their price lowers and increases their effective yield. This is called an Yield_curve#Inverted_yield_curve and has happened consistently for the past 40-50 years, somehow 6-12 months before the stock market declines.

  • Also, banks can no longer arbitrage the spread between short and long term yields (which they use to fund home loans, apparently) so credit availability decreases, even though the long term rate stays the same. One of several causes to a depression.

Ramit Sethi: https://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/inverted-yield-curve/

This occurs when the curve inverts or goes the other way. It shows that younger bonds (i.e. bonds that are two years or less) yield more in interest than older ones. This shows the lack of investor confidence in older bonds and is a good indicator that a recession is incoming (more on that soon).

  • Uhhh, you got it backwards Ramit.

As more and more people begin to buy long-term bonds, however, the Federal Reserve responds by lowering the yield rates for those securities. And since people aren’t buying a lot of short-term U.S. Treasury bonds, the Fed will make those yields higher to attract investors.

  • Uhh, what? I don't think the fed controls yields, only interest rates.

Long term risk

Not sure what bond maturities I should get. Well, maybe I shouldn't as I'm timing the market too.

Nice chart! http://schrts.co/aapFLd

Inverted yield curve

It was inverted a full two years before 2008 hit. So maybe everyone knew it was going down, but no one knew when so they couldn't bet on it?

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